You know what? Fuck it. I’m going to answer your dumb ass questions.
remorsecode:
Okay Hadiyah I just read this and I have no doubt you are referring to my question I had on niqab, yes?
zombiejihadi:
“NO. I recently read a post from a brother who argued that niqab is a fitnah in the west and I really wanted to smash something after reading it. First of all, Muslim women are done giving f’s when it comes to what brothers think about our clothing choices. DONE. It isn’t about what you (brothers) think about hijab nor niqab and it isn’t about what you (brothers) want to see or would rather see.”
This is the problem with ultra feminism. Could you please explain to me why this is not sexist?
Because a man taking the position of ‘I’m going to tell you what to do with your body’ is sexist, therefore responding to this in the negative is not sexist. It’s not rocket science.
Why is a man’s opinion invalid?
Never said it was. A man has a right to his opinion but his opinion does not matter when it comes to what a woman should do with her body.
Islam is about equality between the genders. All scholars and people of knowledge are allowed to give knowledge, knowledge has no gender. So why are you saying things like you men have no right, you men have no say. Correct me if I’m wrong but this religion came from the tongue of a man yet we don’t revere his greatness because he happens to be a man
I’m just going to stop you right there because you’re making a fool out of yourself. Young man, it is embarrassing to read this. YOU ARE NOT THE PROPHET. MEN ARE NOT THE PROPHET. REVELATION BEING REVEALED TO A MAN DOES NOT MEAN THAT MEN ARE SUPERIOR OR THAT WE HAVE TO LISTEN TO EVERY SINGLE MAN THAT COMES AFTER OUR BELOVED PROPHET (SALLALLAHU ALAYHI WASALLAM) And who isn’t acknowledging his greatness? You can’t even properly wish blessings upon him after his name. Seriously that last comment had nothing to do with this post. Way to just throw in accusations there, little buddy.
we look at him as a Muslim and as a human being. This is just completely sexist, no other way to look at it.
OK. Lol.
“It’s about serving Allah and Allah alone. If a sister thinks wearing niqab is going to bring her closer to Allah then more power to her and I’ll be damned if some brother is going to sit there and say ‘well I would rather that my wife not even bother with wearing niqab because I don’t want her causing any fitnah’. No. F you. You don’t get to do that. You don’t get to pressure your wife into dressing a certain way because you can’t seem to wrap your mind around the concept of putting your trust in Allah.”
I never ever suggested niqab is haram which is what you are implying I made out.
Wrong again. Where did I say that you felt that niqab was haram? Nowhere.
If a sister believes it will bring her closer to Allah, sure, by all means, go ahead. I didn’t say don’t. All I said was that perhaps there are better ways to present yourself in a society that will be intimidated by you.
And what else is this other than pressuring a woman to do what would please you rather than what would please Allah. Face it. Your point is invalid. It would be just as invalid if you were a woman saying it.
Westerns are less likely to ask someone about Islam and to receive dawah from someone who wears the niqab. That is a fact.
No. This is an opinion. Tell that to all of the lovely sisters I know who wear niqab. When I was at university, it wasn’t until the niqabi sisters started attending that the school newspaper did MULTIPLE articles on Islam. The lecture I gave on hijab and Islamic feminism had an extremely large crowd due to the fact that a niqabi was on the panel and she gave a lot of dawah by answering a lot of questions.
Yes, it is the fault of THEIR ignorance and not the fault of the niqabi. I never BLAMED the niqabi nor did I ever suggest it is “fitnah” or it is her fault in any shape or way or form, aouthoubillah.
If saying I’d rather you not wear it because you’re going to get a lot of awkward stares, harassment, and the like is NOT calling the niqab a fitnah, I don’t know what is.
I don’t understand why you’re twisting it into some kind of forced imposition against the wife. I think you’re trying to find things which you WANT to find in what I said.
Touche.
Consulting your wife, discussing things maturely, rationally, listening to both sides is not “pressuring.” That’s called marriage.
Funny because no where in your post did you mention listening to your wife and her point of view on why she wants to wear niqab. You simply stated your reasons and stated that you would rather she not wear it. This is the problem with a lot of men. They think that women have to listen to their opinion because if they don’t, they’re not being mature or rational because clearly, clearly it is only the man’s opinion that is rational.
I don’t know why you’ve decided to label it as “pressuring.” If my wife was as hell bent as you are to wear niqab then who am I to stop her? All I said was that I would RATHER, key word RATHER, her stick to hejab.
You’ve never been married. You obviously don’t understand how much spouses do consider the opinion of each other. Who doesn’t want to please their spouse? You’re taking advantage of the fact that your wife will likely want to please you by asserting what you would rather she wear.
That is my personal preference, my input, my opinion which she should respect and listen to BUT I would not “pressure” her into it, never mind force.
Yes, yes. Because you are the powerful and important male in the situation and she must respect and listen to you at all costs, even when you are telling her how she should cover her body.
I would not make haram what Allah made halal, authoubillah, which you seem to be implying I suggested.
lol. Again with that haram word.
“Niqab is no more of a “fitnah” than hijab is or the thobe is or the turban is. And at the end of the day, we wear these things for the sake of Allah and we put our trust in Allah. A mans opinion on hijab or niqab fits nowhere into the equation.”
Then you should abandon everything the Prophet (s) said about hijab since he was a man.
Is it becoming clear to you how embarrassing your words are? And will you quit with the (s) thing. Goodness! That’s offensive and insulting. What would it inconvenience you to type out sallallahu alayhi wasallam?! Once again, you are not him and every man who lived after him is not that important.
The amount of sexism in ultra feminism is beyond belief. Why would you even bring gender into the picture? That’s really, really sexist. If you really wanted to be a true feminist, you would not even bring up the topic of gender because giving opinions, knowledge and input have no gender. There is no such thing as “female opinons.” or “male opinions.”
*choking on laughter* Do I need to bring out the tissues again? You seem really shaken up by this concept of women having their own opinions. Here you go.

“And I don’t care how well-intentioned a brother is or how great of a concern he has for his wife’s safety- calling someone to abandon a commandment of Allah and/or a sunnah is not right regardless of your intention.”
Could you explain why the Prophet (s) abandoned salat at the battle of khandak? Ah yes that’s right, because they would be vulnerable to attack and their safety was under threat. That’s the same with niqab.
Excuse me? Are you implying that you are in the position to tell people to abandon their niqab because of the threat of violence? Because that’s what is sounds like to me. And the last time I checked, you’re not a prophet. So how about you shut the fuck up? The prophet (sallallahu alayhi wasallam) did not speak on religious matters except that he had knowledge about them- directly from Allah. So when he told them to abandon their salat, he did this with knowledge. Tell me where he ever told a woman to abandon her niqab or her hijab? He had knowledge of the future, no? He spoke about the types of people who would come in the future, no? I wonder why he didn’t have the knowledge you clearly have about the niqab. I wonder why he didn’t warn us. Here’s the phrase you are so fond of using: Why didn’t Allah make you the prophet?
I don’t know if you watch the news but woman have been so badly abused in the west for wearing not hejab, but specifically the niqab. The covering of the face. Some have even been physically assaulted! That’s what I was taking into consideration about my future wife with regards to niqab and I would prefer the hejab over niqab.
And you think that a woman who chooses to wear niqab did not take that into consideration when she put it on? Of course not. Women aren’t capable of considering the possible effects of their decisions. No it takes a man to remind her of the dangerous repercussions of her choices in clothing. Have you watched the news ever? That’s the hot topic right now. Men telling women that they shouldn’t wear this and that because it puts them in danger.
Again, to reiterate, is that the niqab’s fault? ABSOLUTELY NOT. Imam Ali (a) said that our greatest enemy is our own ignorance. They simply do not understand. BUT, that does not mean we should go out our way and “make a statement” especially when I live in an extremely unislamic area which has the highest knife crimes in the entire Europe. Why should I put that unnecessary burden on my wife?
If your wife chose to wear niqab, it would not be YOU putting a burden on her. It would be her choice which she came to rationally all by herself. The words you use “burden”. On one hand you say a woman should wear niqab if she really wants to in order to please her Lord and on the other you say that this effort is a “burden”.
It’s a shame you totally disregard intention because I’m sure this religion was based upon pure intentions and not the quantity of the deed.
Who is disregarding intention? All I’m saying is that men have no right to stealth dictate how a woman dresses(see the way you consistently frame niqab in a negative light) whether that be her niqab or her mini dress. So if it’s a man’s intention to protect women by telling her ‘don’t wear that mini dress, you might get raped’ I guess we should just not be offended by this or see anything wrong with this. Right?
“You’re still calling someone to abandon what is good under the guise of ‘I’m just trying to prevent fitnah.’ Forget that noise. Allah > your concern for fitnah.”
All I meant by I would rather she stuck to hejab instead of niqab is that I would want her to pick good over better. Understand?
Good over better. Oh Ok. Yes. I understand. I understand that you think your opinions are the final say in how your wife chooses to dress. That’s. That’s just great.
Picking good over better is not haram, it is not a sin, it is not disobedience, it is not “not wrapping my head around trusting Allah” and it is not sinful.
Lalalalalalaal doo doo doo lalalala. Ooops. Wait. Shh. A man is speaking. I better listen.
And it is certainly not “abandoning the commandments of Allah and the sunnah” LOL wtf let’s not be extremists okay, niqab is not wajib.
Never said it was. It’s still a sunnah, no?
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